A Question I Was Asked:

Did Antiochus Epiphanes or Jesuit Catholicism and the Pope Fulfil Daniel 7:25?

I admire your article Please Help Me to Understand Daniel 7:25?, But while I agree that Antiochus Epiphanes may well, at least partly, fulfill 'he will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws,' don't we have to remember that the Jesuits became the Catholic arm of science, and have they not fully supported modern science, including the errors of Copernican astronomy and cosmology and also Darwinism? Indeed, has not the pope even ridiculed Creationism, willingly throwing his 'hat' into the corner of evolution? Is not much of this also tantamount to attempting to 'change times and laws'?

UK Apologetics Reply:

Okay, yes, you make a very good point. It comes as a surprise to many that Roman Catholicism not only supports evolution but that the Jesuits, we are told, encouraged and fully supported Copernicanism (Helio-centric cosmology; the Earth hurls through space at incredible speed, despite the Bible clearly teaching a non-moving Earth). I fully agree that what we know of the "science" of the Jesuits is fully in-line with human reasoning and not actually supportive of Scripture; very true. Not only that but the Jesuits fully supported calendar changes (including the Gregorian 'calendar') which are not accurate and can only work - to some degree that is - on a globular Earth. So, in such senses as these, Catholic 'science' has set out to attempt to 'change the set times and laws.' (Daniel 7:25), and has not been supportive of the Bible.

I don't rule out that Daniel 7:25 could have been partly fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes but, in later centuries, partly fulfilled by official Catholic 'education' policy. But let us look at Daniel 7:25 again:

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

It is widely agreed by Bible scholars that 'a time, times and half a time' refers to three and a half years and this is what tends to swing it, because this is the length of time that Ephiphanes' Syrians are said to have besieged Jerusalem from 167 BC causing terrible suffering and mayhem, he also banned any sabbath observance at that time, apart from sacrificing swine's flesh in the temple, so he did interfere in the observation of 'times and laws' which the Jews would have considered important.

But the 'holy people' reference here is interesting since whilst this originally referred to the people of Israel, after the time of Jesus, this referred to Christians and the Church; this could support my questioner's point. My mind is pretty much open on this.

Robin A. Brace. April 11th, 2018.