YOU SAY YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD?

But Wait a Minute...









T his is an actual conversation I had with an atheist about two years ago. I kept a record of exactly what we both said because I thought I might use it in some way, but then I forgot about it, that is, until I recently found it. I put it here not to boast of how I tackled this atheist but to show us all that these people can indeed be challenged. But here is a vital tip: whenever finding myself in this situation, I always send up a silent prayer, asking the Lord to give me the right words.



But why does a concept of "fairness" even exist in an atheist's mind? Where did that come from? Evolution? Evolution teaches the survival of the fittest and that it is entirely good that the weak eventually die out and disappear. Is that fair? Hitler, Mao and Stalin all supported that idea. Those men were so happy that Darwinism was on their side, it gave them good reason to simply kill their "weak" enemies. No, the truth is there would not even be any concept of fairness except that it comes from Judeo-Christian ethics and, in turn, that comes from the Bible.

Atheist:
"I don't believe in God."


Myself:
Okay, how long have you taken to really look into this whole question?


Atheist:
"I don't need to do that. Belief in God makes no sense to me."


Myself:
But there must be many things in life which don't "make sense" to an individual. I don't understand advanced physics, moreover, even the internal combustion engine of my car does not make much sense to me but I know that the principle works and I completely rely on my car to work when the engine is started. So lots of things might not "make sense" to various individuals, that is, we would not know how to configure them, neverthless we accept them on good authority and use them, like our cars.


Atheist:
"But you are just playing with words now."


Myself:
No, I'm totally serious. I am trying to be factual and logical. You have just stated that you do not believe in something which many thousands do. You can say what you like about them but the great theologians, people like Ignatius, Bernard of Clairvaux, Aquinas, Abelard, Jerome, Augustine, Clement of Alexandria, Luther, Calvin, Richard Baxter, Karl Barth and many others, were the most amazingly studious men, experts in several languages, and they all spent years pouring over the Holy Bible, in some cases a large part of their lives. These men all came to the conclusion that this book which we call "The Holy Bible" is indeed inspired by God, a God who very definitely exists, and that men and women reject it at their peril. How much study have you put into this question?


Atheist:
"None, and I don't intend to."

It currently - and stubbornly - refuses to acknowledge it, but atheism has lost all the arguments, only aggressive propagandism, persuasive to those who have never closely studied the subject, keeps it going in this favourable anti-supernaturalist climate.


Myself:
So you are just saying that you have no intentions of believing in God, a God which you are perfectly happy to assume does not exist - perhaps because of the current anti-God climate of the liberal West - yet you have not studied the matter at any depth at all. So this, you have to admit, is lazy, unstudied atheism. Surely you have to admit this? I mean, this is not some deep intellectual conclusion, it's emotional, it's trendy. Surely you can't deny this?


Atheist:
"You say that, but some mighty clever people like Richard Dawkins share my view."


Myself:
Well, as he proved in his book, 'The God Delusion,' Richard Dawkins is actually in a similar position to yourself. That book, in which the writer attempted to venture into philosophy and theology showed that he has no understanding of either. As many have commented, there is no serious consideration nor comprehension of what a Christian actually believes within that book, just some rather silly lampoons, impressions and prejudices. Dawkins is a biologist and naturalist. He is also an aggressive propagandist for his cause but philosophy and theology? No, those areas are plainly a mystery to him. He does have an enormous dislike of, and prejudice towards, both Theism and Christianity but more than that one cannot say. I am sure that you too are an expert in at least one field, are you not?


Atheist:
"Yes, chemistry is my area."


Myself:
Okay, so what part of your subject qualifies you to pronounce a conclusion on whether or not God exists? Surely no part. Yet is not this subject of such monumental importance that an intelligent person such as yourself has no excuse to simply reject it without at least applying a period of much deeper thought and consideration to it? Should you really make presumptions on such a vital matter simply because it is fashionable to reject God in the liberal West? Should you not set time aside to study this matter in depth? How long did it take to get your chemistry degree?


Atheist:
"Okay, you have made a very good point but I am keeping my position even if it is a position of ignorance as you would undoubtedly say. If God exists, He is not a fair God, there is no fairness in this world."


Myself:
Isn't there? Then why does a concept of "fairness" exist in your mind? Where did that come from? Evolution? Evolution teaches the survival of the fittest and that it is entirely good that the weak eventually die out and disappear. Is that fair? Hitler, Mao and Stalin all supported that idea. Those men were so happy that Darwinism was on their side, it gave them good reason to simply kill their "weak" enemies. No, the truth is there would not even be any concept of fairness except that it comes from Judeo-Christian ethics and, in turn, that comes from the Bible. I would suggest to you that rather than there being "no fairness" in the world, there is indeed a strong sense of fairness in most human minds and most of us are outraged - as you appear to be - when it is lacking. Yet the strong concept of fairness which most of us have cannot be explained by evolution.


The conversation ended there.


It currently - and stubbornly - refuses to acknowledge it, but atheism has lost all the arguments, only aggressive propagandism, persuasive to those who have never closely studied the subject, keeps it going in this favourable anti-supernaturalist climate.

Robin A. Brace. August 2nd, 2014.

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